My Story Of CPA Fraud With Silent Submits

Posted by Wade | Posted in Internet Marketing And SEO | Posted on 11-02-2010

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Before i delve too deep into this post. I just want to say that i have/will NEVER do this. It is fraud of the highest degree and you WILL get caught. Do not email me asking for more tips on how to rip off CPA Networks because you wont get a reply. Im surprised I even have the gall to write this here, as i know at least one of my Affiliate Managers comes every now and again to read this blog.

So anyway, this all started a while back when on a forum i frequent, someone posted a “Silent Submit” solution. Basically it was supposed to take an email submit, auto fill it in, and then submit it. Either you could take the details from a database that you hosted or you could get the user to enter his details, and then send it off to multiple submits aka illegal. So anyway the solution was posted up and it was wrong. So wrong infact that it didn’t have a hope in working. The idea was right, but the implementation was far off.

The solution was to do with Javascript and Iframing. Now you see, those two don’t go together. When you iFrame a website, you don’t get any information from that website, and you in no way can control it. The solution actually didn’t iframe, it had a hosted form and on the same page in the same source, it had javascript to fill in fields. I don’t know about you, but i don’t know of any way of hosting my own submits and/or adding javascript to any networks submits. I guess in a way it was right that you could use javascript to auto fill fields, you could use the application to auto fill a email opt in form THAT YOU HOST. But NOT a CPA offer.

I don’t know why, but the forum went on a frenzy saying they were going to implement it straight away. But it was blatantly obvious that 1. 99% of them weren’t going to and 2. the other 1% didn’t have any idea how to do it. It was later on that someone posted “O just Iframe it” (Which was completely wrong), and people were just running in circles.  I posted in the thread saying that i could build this both in an ASP webpage, or a C# desktop application. For some reason, i got told that i shouldn’t take over the thread. Whatever.

So i got a few messages from people interested in doing it on an ASP page. But the sad thing was no one even knew what ASP was, or the difference between a Windows and Linux server. So that kind of washed away any hope of JV’ing. Well, to be fair i wasn’t looking to make money with it. At the time i was thinking, “If i made this, i would be a kingpin in the CPA world”. I dunno, stupid thoughts.

It was a couple of days later that i thought, im so sick of people talking BS. Ill just make it and then see what people think. I built a small Proof Of Concept (POC) application that could auto fill in any web form. When i mean ANY webform, i mean absolutely anything out there.  I built it with a free lotto offer built in so anyone could view it and see that it could submit it in. I posted it into a new thread and asked if anyone wanted to take it further.

To my surprise people were just dead.  I hardly got a response. It boggles my mind, as to why when a completely wrong/no working solution is posted up people went crazy. And now when i post mine that actually works, people dont want to know about it. Maybe im just a tad jealous of all the attention, but it was just stupid. Period. Anyway i did get a few responses, but all from people who had no idea how to run things. They didn’t really have any idea on the power of it, and just wanted to let it rip.

The application itself was built on .net framework 2.0 (I actually think i could have gone lower aswell). So it would have ran on almost any machine. My idea was to harvest emails, build a database of emails, firstnames, lastnames, zips etc. And then bind the application onto another exe like a popular game, and then let it loose on the torrents. When they double clicked the game exe, my application would load in the background, submit its stuff, and then stop. I actually made it so it would call my server each time it was started, and my server would give it back the variables needed to carry on. Even things like which offer url it was submitting to could be changed around on the fly. It was a very good working system.

But no one wanted a bar of it. And probably for good reason. Looking back it was far to powerful and fraudulent to get running and i would never pursue it now.

For those who are interested, 10 minutes before i wrote this post i developed another POC similar to my original. You can download it here.

If you cant get it going, try moving it from your desktop. Something to do with .net permissions etc.  It just opens up a bingo website, and fills in the username, password, and email box to what you specify. It doesnt submit it, nor does it play around with the other values. Its just showing you basically what it can do with auto filling in forms. Easy easy work in C#, but meh.

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Comments (2)

You are right, twice. Highly fraudulent but from the coder point of view this is extremely easy to implement.

IMO, it’s a good thing you wrote this down, it might elucidate some people, will keeping other people from doing it without thinking about the possible consequences of their actions.

Good post ;)

Interesitng reading its sad i´m not a better coder :P

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